tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post4738393561421481709..comments2024-03-20T21:34:14.507-07:00Comments on Carbon Canyon Chronicle: A Little Exchange about the Art of Navigating Carbon Canyon RoadUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-88526468924246225582010-01-18T16:58:26.823-08:002010-01-18T16:58:26.823-08:00Some more thoughts, since I was tired last night a...Some more thoughts, since I was tired last night and didn't explain this well enough: <br /><br />1) People have already died on the canyon. Luckily fatalities are rare. It's a winding, poorly lit road with only one lane in each direction; it is very easy for incompetent (not necessarily speeding or impaired) drivers to lose control of their vehicles, especially at night when it gets foggy and oncoming vehicles have blindingly bright lights.<br /><br />2) I frequently drive the canyon at times when drunk drivers are most likely to be on the road, and have NEVER seen anyone driving who appeared to be impaired (though I have seen lots of incompetent drivers). I have seen police officers on the scene of accidents in the canyon at that time, I don't KNOW those accidents were caused by speed or intoxication.<br /><br />3) As I mentioned a few days ago, officers DO heavily patrol the nearest bars to the canyon, and the Brea police patrol near the canyon's Brea entrance. Chino Hills Parkway is not usually patrolled at night at the canyon's entrance, but is patrolled by the 71 and Shamrock's (a bar on Chino Hills Parkway). So, steps are already being taken to catch impaired driving before any person or property gets hurt.<br /><br />4) But you might say, "It's not enough." OK, well look at downtown Fullerton and Brea. Those areas are swarming with cops. Yet, accidents and fatalities still happen. So do drunk driving, speeding, and tailgating. A strong police presence is not a cure-all, and may not even significantly reduce unsafe driving.<br /><br />5) I agree that Carbon Canyon needs to be preserved. As I indicated last time, too many people use the road as a shortcut. These people take their bad driving off of the freeways and onto a road that was never meant to handle all that traffic. They carelessly toss their trash out of their windows, and most certainly contribute to air and water pollution. Housing developments only contribute to the problem, and the city of Chino Hills profits from it. So I certainly wouldn't trust the city to preserve the canyon, though do trust the city to profit from more traffic citations that do little, if anything, to help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-49682764808383781382010-01-18T02:08:46.457-08:002010-01-18T02:08:46.457-08:00I'm a little surprised at the comment one of t...I'm a little surprised at the comment one of the posters left about my post... If a driver who is speeding has to make a turn, then of course he or she signals, breaks prior to the turn, and makes sure his or her vehicle is in the proper gear. Breaking during curves can be very dangerous; it is actually safer to accelorate or lay off the gas coming into a curve than it is to break during one.<br /><br />Most drivers slow up around Olinda Village and the mobile home parks (I certainly do since the speed limit is 45 and the visibility is poor for those residents). Now they're getting a traffic signal. It's not that hard for competent drivers to turn into and out of most other communities, either because visibility is good or drivers are forced to slow down drastically by the curve of the road. Even Sleepy Hollow isn't bad once you get a sense of timing for the oncoming traffic, and it's even easier at night when you can see headlights from oncoming traffic before you actually see the vehicles. I think the people who have it worst are those who must turn into or directly from the parking areas of their homes. If I see someone who needs to get out or make a turn during rush hours, I will stop traffic to let them do so, as will many others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-71638211287690506342010-01-18T01:47:46.469-08:002010-01-18T01:47:46.469-08:00Please... Speeding in and of itself is not necessa...Please... Speeding in and of itself is not necessarily that dangerous. When the speed limit dropped unreasonably from 45 to 35 a few months ago, does that mean it would have been dangerous to continue to drive 45? Of course not. That drop in the speed limit probably resulted from both residents complaining that the cars drive too fast through the canyon, and a money-hungry government looking for more revenue from traffic citations.<br /><br />Also, realistically officers are not likely to pull over tailgaters in the canyon, whether or not there is a police presence. They're likely to pull over people who ARE in fact driving safely, but happen to be going several mph over the speed limit (and I already established that driving the speed limit does not necessarily mean driving more safely, especially in comparison to a hesitant, timid driver who does drive at or under the speed limit). Though I'm sure tailgaters have been cited in the canyon, it's easier and safer to pull over someone who is not being tailgated (someone who is speeding) then it is to pull over someone in a long line of tailgaters. People (including officers) are bound to tailgate, and a police presence won't change that. Also, most people tailgate during rush hour, yet I almost never see accidents at that time... Bumpers on the side of the road do not necessarily mean accidents caused by tailgating.<br /><br />Furthermore I don't deny drunk driving happens, but if the drivers are drunk, why do you think they would be reasonable about where they pull over. When the car to be cited pulls over, the officer stops his vehicle too. Sober drivers may choose poor places to pull over also, just from anxiety resulting from the situation. Thus it would be better and safer for officers to look for drunk and dangerous drivers near the entrances to the canyon, as I mentioned last time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-8100685578994935572010-01-17T21:34:32.478-08:002010-01-17T21:34:32.478-08:00How does the person that spoke about slow drivers ...How does the person that spoke about slow drivers suppose a person is supposed to make a turn onto any of the side streets without slowing down? Also if I choose to drive the speed limit I would appreciate it if I did not have someone tailgating me. I would definitely appreciate a police presence in the Canyon we pay taxes just like everyone else and deserve to have the peace and safety of the Canyon maintained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-1960828458033631622010-01-15T18:28:42.442-08:002010-01-15T18:28:42.442-08:00I do not like tailgaters. I usually cruise at 50 w...I do not like tailgaters. I usually cruise at 50 when I'm driving in through the canyon and I will always have a Yuppie on my @ss.I think people just dont like to have someone in front of them.and no on the Toll Road I freakin Hate those. I will be driving on the 91 and I will be approaching the 71 to head to chino.Then the 241 and the 91 toll road drivers cut in line all at that one point and i'm sitting there for 20 minutes. I hate toll roads. <br />Sorry for being so negative...HeheDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00838259997425833314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-62133954219691965382010-01-15T14:02:02.524-08:002010-01-15T14:02:02.524-08:00Oh! BY the way. In the mid-1950s, the Canyon was c...Oh! BY the way. In the mid-1950s, the Canyon was continually patroled at night time, sometimes two cars at a time. The Canyon Boys provided some entertainment for them as well, all in good fun,of course.Zaphodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14973346188124969552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7766959241150105184.post-33383346576698399612010-01-15T13:56:00.657-08:002010-01-15T13:56:00.657-08:00Ahhhh! If only these were the good old days! Then ...Ahhhh! If only these were the good old days! Then we could have all of the Canyon Boys gather up all of the beer cans that the passers-through have ejected from their cars (we were once called "Beer Can Canyon" by the Chino Champion)and have them stack the cans six high on the back side of every curve on the road. The people driving slow through the Canyon have long memories.Zaphodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14973346188124969552noreply@blogger.com